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P-M · Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 68

On wednesday our swedish parlament will vote for a big brother law to pass and most likely it will pass. They will give free hands to listen in on all traffic passing sweden.

I think this is really sad, those who want to communicate bad things do this safely anyway. Why the need to know what every citizen communicates?!

This is not democracy at all imo, this is paranoid Bush mentality and Sweden of all nations..I find it hard to believe where we all are heading. The government has become the biggest threat to the individual. Will there be any nation not going this way? I apply for memebership!

Its like the cameras in London, they started in one way and now they are used in a totally different way. I hate this 1948 coming true!

Pjotr · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 130

P-M wrote:

On wednesday our swedish parlament will vote for a big brother law to pass and most likely it will pass. They will give free hands to listen in on all traffic passing sweden.

Lie.

P-M wrote:

Its like the cameras in London, they started in one way and now they are used in a totally different way. I hate this 1948 coming true!

Not what this law change is about.

P-M · Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 68

http://www.thelocal.se/12334/20080610/

Funny how some people never see anything negative in what governments do..The most dangerous persons are those who idle through life never questioning motives..

Pjotr · Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 130

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where the state will be able to keep a record of everything said in telephone conversations, surfed on the web or written on the internet.

Lie, not going to happen, not legal by the changed law.

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now everyone will be tapped via their phones, emails, web surfing, faxes etc.

Another lie...

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But the state won't keep a record of everything.

Oh, correcting the first lie are we...

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All our phone calls, emails and surfing habits will be observed

Better repeat the second lie then...

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the government and all its agencies - including the police and the security police - will be able to snoop around in the tapped phone and email correspondence of its citizens.

...make up another lie...

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This is much, much worse than the East German Stasi

...and exaggerate just a tad.

For those fluent in Swedish and interested in truth instead of blatant propaganda, here's the law and the law council comments:

http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/8670/a/78367

http://www.lagradet.se/yttranden/Forsvarsunderrattelseverksamhet.pdf

In short, the two main changes from the current laws are:

* Add cable communications to the currently monitored radio waves (including satellite communications)

* Change "External military threat" to "External threat" to Sweden

P-M · Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 68

Google doesnt agree with you at all. Even SÄPO doesnt like this law.

For me Echelon and this law is the same kind of crap. Even you cant be sure it wont be used in bad ways. They have the right to intercept data coming into sweden and look at it and traffic going outward, why would this be positive in your world? Why would foreigners want to come here?

Its people like you who make a new Stalin and Hitler possible, you never oppose the government in charge. And you are the majority of Swedes.

andreasl · Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 9

There is still hope. Only 4 additional votes plus the opposition parties votes (who will all vote against) is enough to scrap this law.

Wierdo · Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 124

You guys talking about this right? Link:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080618-swedish-parliament-rejects-big-brother-surveillance-bill.html

Article says it was shot down, but in the BBS:

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=174096756&m=962009092931&r=962009092931

They're saying it passed after some minor revisions... hmm.

andreasl · Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 9

yeah, fucking liberal traitors

P-M · Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 68

I feel sad, there is nothing more to say really, the big brother mentality grows everywhere I guess. So guys if you are mailing tradesecrets to a swedish adress that mail will pass the filters, encrypt your mails going to Sweden.

Who knows what imformation gets screen and passed on eventually.

Echelon and FRA is about the same thing, it uses trigger words, words that noone but the guy in charge know what they are. My only concern is that so many citizens say its ok to do this kind of surveilance, some things have to be opposed from the start before it grows out of control.

The institution screening communictaions have applied for more money, while our regular defence force gets less every year as the minister of defence said we have no current threats, why then the surveilance if there are no threats?

Wierdo · Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 124

P-M wrote:

I feel sad, there is nothing more to say really, the big brother mentality grows everywhere I guess. So guys if you are mailing tradesecrets to a swedish adress that mail will pass the filters, encrypt your mails going to Sweden.

Who knows what imformation gets screen and passed on eventually.

Echelon and FRA is about the same thing, it uses trigger words, words that noone but the guy in charge know what they are. My only concern is that so many citizens say its ok to do this kind of surveilance, some things have to be opposed from the start before it grows out of control.

The institution screening communictaions have applied for more money, while our regular defence force gets less every year as the minister of defence said we have no current threats, why then the surveilance if there are no threats?

This does indeed seem to be a bad idea from what I gather, I don't understand how this could have passed. Imho it does look like a potential blow to the future of democracy if someone in power decides to capitalize on it like Bush - and to a lesser extent those before him - does/did down here.