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 Post subject: Did Intel give TSMC FAB Tech?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:30 pm 
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by Charlie Demerjian
October 15, 2009
PEOPLE WATCHING TSMC'S process development might have noticed a radical change in messaging a few months ago. The foundry not only changed its high-K/metal gate (HKMG) strategy, but it also pulled in the timetables at the same time.
Insiders had been telling us that the TSMC 32nm process was in deep trouble, and 22nm wasn't looking good either. Then one day, poof, things got better. This quite remarkable turnaround is due to one thing, Intel....

Lot's more at: http://www.semiaccurate.com./2009/10/15 ... cess-tech/
Including: Update: Intel is officially denying this story.


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 Post subject: Re: Did Intel give TSMC FAB Tech?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:38 am 
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AtWork wrote:
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by Charlie Demerjian
October 15, 2009
PEOPLE WATCHING TSMC'S process development might have noticed a radical change in messaging a few months ago. The foundry not only changed its high-K/metal gate (HKMG) strategy, but it also pulled in the timetables at the same time.
Insiders had been telling us that the TSMC 32nm process was in deep trouble, and 22nm wasn't looking good either. Then one day, poof, things got better. This quite remarkable turnaround is due to one thing, Intel....

Lot's more at: http://www.semiaccurate.com./2009/10/15 ... cess-tech/
Including: Update: Intel is officially denying this story.


There's no truth in this .....

This is an old rumor from last August based on the speculations
of Dick James from ChipWorks after TSMC changed its 28nm HKMG
process from a "Gate first" to a "Gate last" approach.

The speculation was: Possible help from Intel with the "Gate last"
approach (which is just only a portion of that what we call a process)
http://www.semiconductor.net/blog/Chipworks_Inside_Angle/21346-TSMC_Goes_Gate_Last_Process_for_28_nm_Transistors_is_it_Intel_based_.php

The rumor was denied by Intel straight away here:
http://www.semiconductor.net/blog/Chipworks_Inside_Angle/22488-TSMC_Does_HKMG_On_Its_Own.php

There's no way of fooling David James at ChipWorks and their process analysis work:
http://www.semiconductor.net/blog/Chipworks_Inside_Angle/23620-Intel_s_32_nm_Clarkdale_Shows_Many_Changes.php


Regards, Hans


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 Post subject: Re: Did Intel give TSMC FAB Tech?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:27 pm 
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Thanks for the great links!

But (maybe I'm misreading them) they seem to confirm what Charlie wrote as much as deny it.

This quote:
“Under the MOU, Intel would port its Atom processor CPU cores to the TSMC technology platform including processes, IP, libraries, and design flows.”

Is later followed by:
"the emphasis back then was on the IP, and whether the arrangement would affect TSMC’s long-standing relationship with ARM for low-power CPUs. At the time it was implied that that there was no transfer of high-k technology to TSMC."

So maybe it's just coincidence, but it's quite a coincidence. Intel instantly claiming there wasn't any transfer of any process tech (without being asked) was almost too strong - though I don't see what there is to hide, either (process transfer was in the public MOU!). It's an interesting story.


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 Post subject: Re: Did Intel give TSMC FAB Tech?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:32 pm 
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AtWork wrote:
Thanks for the great links!

But (maybe I'm misreading them) they seem to confirm what Charlie wrote as much as deny it.


Artwork, you are quoting from the speculations, read David's conclusions in his post after the denial.

- It's only about the gate first/last HKMG approach, not the whole process.
- Intel's 32nm process uses entirely different lithography equipment as TSMC's.

Regards, Hans


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 Post subject: Re: Did Intel give TSMC FAB Tech?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:13 pm 
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Hans de Vries wrote:
AtWork wrote:
Thanks for the great links!

But (maybe I'm misreading them) they seem to confirm what Charlie wrote as much as deny it.


Artwork, you are quoting from the speculations, read David's conclusions in his post after the denial.

- It's only about the gate first/last HKMG approach, not the whole process.
- Intel's 32nm process uses entirely different lithography equipment as TSMC's.

Regards, Hans


I think you mean Dick James - not David.

David


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 Post subject: Re: Did Intel give TSMC FAB Tech?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:37 am 
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dkanter wrote:
Hans de Vries wrote:
AtWork wrote:
Thanks for the great links!

But (maybe I'm misreading them) they seem to confirm what Charlie wrote as much as deny it.


Artwork, you are quoting from the speculations, read David's conclusions in his post after the denial.

- It's only about the gate first/last HKMG approach, not the whole process.
- Intel's 32nm process uses entirely different lithography equipment as TSMC's.

Regards, Hans


I think you mean Dick James - not David.

David



Yes :^)

Regards, Hans


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