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Intel's hands around AMD's throat tighten
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jack



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hans de Vries wrote:
With the sudden comeback of ATI's graphics division it's probably the last time that AMD get's a change to create tax-benefits by writing of goodwill.

Note that the write-off is on goodwill related to the consumer electronics
division of ATI. It would be hard to do this on the GPU division now.
Caching in on the benefits is another story of course but it would be
plain stupid not to write off.


According to AMD earnings release, graphics division made $38M loss in Q2 2008.
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Hans de Vries



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jack wrote:
Hans de Vries wrote:
With the sudden comeback of ATI's graphics division it's probably the last time that AMD get's a change to create tax-benefits by writing of goodwill.

Note that the write-off is on goodwill related to the consumer electronics
division of ATI. It would be hard to do this on the GPU division now.
Caching in on the benefits is another story of course but it would be
plain stupid not to write off.


According to AMD earnings release, graphics division made $38M loss in Q2 2008.


Q2 started almost 4 months ago. Following recent developments a bit
it seems that ATI is in quite good shape...



Poll: 74% chooses an ATI card as next graphics card.


http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=14224




The ATI 790 Integrated graphics processor plays most games unlike the
competition. The Intel G35 (blue bars) will be replaced now by the G45
if there are no further delays with 25% more graphics pipelines and
claimed upto 1.7 X performance over G35

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=14280



ATI has over 60 percent of the design wins on the Centrino 2 platform.
AMD, Intel Centrino 2 make strange bedfellows
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-9993430-64.html

And there is of course its own Puma platform which makes about
30% of the new notebooks designs all-AMD designs.
http://www.slashgear.com/hp-pavilion-dv5z-gives-amd-puma-option-for-media-notebook-2612286.php
http://laptoplogic.com/news/detail.php?id=5213


Regards, Hans
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am actually pretty happy of the cooperation with the ATI guys, we have some pretty interesting stuff coming together ...
We are going to take a "Quick Path" ;-) then PCIex.

Who ever wants to work on the perf side is welcome, it does include EVERYBODY.


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Paul DeMone



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:42 pm    Post subject: Moody's downgrades ratings for Advanced Micro Reply with quote

Moody's downgrades ratings for Advanced Micro

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080812/advanced_micro_moody_s_ratings.html?.v=1

Moody's said Monday it downgraded the ratings to "B2" from "B1." It also revised the rating on a $390 million senior note due in 2012 to "B3" from "B2" and said the outlook is negative.

The service said in a note its negative rating outlook reflects the company's "challenges to move its operating performance towards a level of self-funding profitability and then to sustain that momentum."
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Third Eye



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Moody's downgrades ratings for Advanced Micro Reply with quote

Paul DeMone wrote:
Moody's downgrades ratings for Advanced Micro

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080812/advanced_micro_moody_s_ratings.html?.v=1

Moody's said Monday it downgraded the ratings to "B2" from "B1." It also revised the rating on a $390 million senior note due in 2012 to "B3" from "B2" and said the outlook is negative.

The service said in a note its negative rating outlook reflects the company's "challenges to move its operating performance towards a level of self-funding profitability and then to sustain that momentum."


Not to ignore the current AMD condition(Core2 better than K10, 45nm Vs 65nm, Profits vs Loss, Nehelem Vs Shangai) against Intel as well as the near future here is an article about the efficacy of Bond raters like Moodys and S&P in the Housing Junk market

http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/15/markets/junk_mortgages.fortune/index.htm

Quotable quotes

..Moody's projected in a public analysis of the issue that less than 10% of the loans would ultimately default. S&P, which gave the securities the same ratings that Moody's did, almost certainly reached a similar conclusion but hasn't filed a public analysis and wouldn't share its numbers with us. As long as housing prices kept rising, it all looked copacetic.

Goldman peddled the securities in late April 2006. In a matter of months the mathematical models used to assemble and market this issue - and the models that Moody's and S&P used to rate it - proved to be horribly flawed....


...In hindsight,] I think we would not have rated it" had Moody's realized what was going on in the junk-mortgage market, says Nicolas Weill, the firm's chief credit officer for structured finance. Low credit scores and high loan-to-value ratios were taken into account in Moody's original analysis, of course, but the firm now thinks there were things it didn't know about....


he!he!he!he!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:59 pm    Post subject: Intel continues to take market share from AMD Reply with quote

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS21385508

SAN MATEO, Calif., August 15, 2008 – Worldwide PC microprocessor shipments in the second calendar quarter of 2008 (2Q08) reached record levels again, according to new data from IDC. Despite the fact that the second quarter is typically the slowest quarter of the calendar year for processor demand and concerns that the economic woes in the U.S. are spreading to other regions, worldwide processor unit shipments grew 3.1% quarter over quarter and 16.1% year over year. Strong vendor price competition in the middle and low end of the desktop PC processor and mobile PC processor market segments caused overall market revenue to decline 4.5% quarter over quarter to $7.7 billion.

"While sequential market growth is unusual in the second quarter of the calendar year, it's clear that, in 2Q08, Intel's processor shipments drove the growth," said Shane Rau, director of Semiconductors: Personal Computing research at IDC. "Intel's processor shipments alone grew nearly 4.3% over the first quarter and 20.8% year over year, while AMD's processor shipments were about flat."

Vendor Highlights

In terms of processor vendor shares, on an overall unit basis, Intel earned 79.7% market share, a gain of 0.9%. AMD earned 19.7%, a loss of 1.2%.

By form factor, in the mobile PC processor segment, Intel earned 86.5% share, a gain of 1.3% and AMD earned 12.6%, a loss of 1.9%. VIA Technologies, based in Taiwan, earned 0.9% share, a gain of 0.7%. In the PC server/workstation processor segment, Intel earned 86.2%, a loss of 0.8% and AMD earned 13.8%, a gain of 0.8%. In the desktop PC processor segment, Intel earned 73.3% share and AMD earned 26.4%; share changes were negligible.
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The_Wolf_Who_Cried_Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:56 am    Post subject: Re: Intel continues to take market share from AMD Reply with quote

Paul DeMone wrote:
In the PC server/workstation processor segment, Intel earned 86.2%, a loss of 0.8% and AMD earned 13.8%, a gain of 0.8%.


Is having socket backward compatability going to offer Shangai any respite against Gainstown variants of Nehalam?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any truth to the Russians trying to buy into Fab30?
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Paul DeMone



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HP posts 4 socket, 2.66 GHz Dunnington TPC-C score (4p/24c)

635k TpmC @$1.10/TpmC (256 GB, MSQL 2005, Win 2003)

For comparison:

2.5 GHz Barc HP DL585 (4p/16c) gets 472k TpmC @$1.17/TpmC
(256 GB, MSQL 2005, Win 2003)

4.2 GHz Power6 PL860R (4p/8c) gets 629k TpmC @$2.49/TpmC
(256 GB, DB2, AIX)

IBM also posted an 8 socket Dunnington score (8p/48c)

1201k TpmC @$1.99/TpmC (512 GB, DB2, RHEL)

http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_last_ten_results.asp

Looks like Intel has "shanghai'd" AMD's comeback prospects in
the server market even before bringing out QPI based Xeons.
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jack



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned this yet: AMD is officially saying that they will become fables: http://bigtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/09/08/re-engineering-amd/


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“We’re going to go away from a captive fab model to more of a fables model for the CPU part of the business,” Meyer says. “Longer-term, it relieves us of the burden of having to shell out cash for these gigantic factories. So it will be more of a pay-as-you-go model like a traditional fables semiconductor company.”
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TacoBell



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As in Aesop's?
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Paul DeMone



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another data point of Dunnington induced pain for AMD in server
segment

New SAP-SD submission for 8 socket Dunnington from IBM

http://www.sap.com/solutions/benchmark/sd2tier.epx?num=50

8s/48c Dunnington (2.67 GHz) - 9200 users, 46,170 SAPS (DB2 on Win 2003)

For comparison:

16s/64c Tigerton (2.93 GHz) - 10,600 users, 53,980 SAPS (DB2 on Win 2003)

8s/32c Tigerton (2.93 GHz) - 6615 users, 33,100 SAPS (DB2 on Win 2003)

8s/32c Barc 8350 (2.5 GHz) - 5230 users, 26,180 SAPS (MSQL on Win 2003)

An 8 socket Dunnington box performs 76% better on SAP-SD
than an 8 socket Barcelona box, 39% better than an 8 socket
Tigerton box, and only 13% slower on SAP-SD than a 16 socket
Tigerton box
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jack wrote:
I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned this yet: AMD is officially saying that they will become fables: http://bigtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/09/08/re-engineering-amd/


Interesting. This may be a diplomatic way of saying they don't hope to be competitive with Intel on the high-end anymore.
Which means they will focus on the middle-range desktop and mobile, with integrated solutions. Let's see how it turns out...

(but their strategic planning is really awful, after spending so much on new fabs they announce they will become fabless...)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lux_interior wrote:
jack wrote:
I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned this yet: AMD is officially saying that they will become fables: http://bigtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/09/08/re-engineering-amd/


Interesting. This may be a diplomatic way of saying they don't hope to be competitive with Intel on the high-end anymore.
Which means they will focus on the middle-range desktop and mobile, with integrated solutions. Let's see how it turns out...

(but their strategic planning is really awful, after spending so much on new fabs they announce they will become fabless...)


Fab process guys feel back is sooo important ... I am speetch less

who?
PS:that is my personal opinion.
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savantu



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

who? wrote:
lux_interior wrote:
jack wrote:
I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned this yet: AMD is officially saying that they will become fables: http://bigtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/09/08/re-engineering-amd/


Interesting. This may be a diplomatic way of saying they don't hope to be competitive with Intel on the high-end anymore.
Which means they will focus on the middle-range desktop and mobile, with integrated solutions. Let's see how it turns out...

(but their strategic planning is really awful, after spending so much on new fabs they announce they will become fabless...)


Fab process guys feel back is sooo important ... I am speetch less

who?
PS:that is my personal opinion.


I think you meant feedback.

Can you tell us anything about how Intel implements Design For Manufacturing ? I refer to the relation between FAB people and the CPU teams.
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