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DUCK of DEATH



Joined: 04 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: Oh what a disaster! Reply with quote

LiamC wrote:
DUCK of DEATH wrote:
I don't like how it killed off what use to be so many interesting discussions.

Are you so blind as to not notice the difference between what the forum was like 18 months or so ago and nowadays?


Blind? Were/are you so deaf to what was going on? Dean gave you and others a choice. You all could have modified your posting style(s). You either chose not to, or (and I don't know how anyone could have thought this, Dean was very, explicitly, clear) you thought that Dean was bluffing.

Given how clear Dean made his intentions, I will assume that you chose not to modify your posting style, with predictable results. And now whinge about it. You don't like it. Fair enough, but don't try the same bully boy tactics (Ignorant, blind) whilst lamenting poor, put upon, Duck of Death.

Yes there were some intelligent people at the old RWT. But frankly, the S/N was not worth the effort--so in effect, the forum became a pissing contest between (a small number of) egos. You liked it. I didn't. But that difference of opinion makes me neither ignorant, nor blind.

The option of contacting some of the other people whose posts you admired and starting a forum of your liking is still open to you.

Man how dumb are you?

I am not complaining about any restrictions placed on me, but how he managed to kill off other people's contributions and thus sink what was once a vibrant forum.

Also, how immature are you to suggest that a criticism of how a forum is run can never be made and one must just start their own forum if they don't like something.
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LiamC



Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dumb. Dumb means can't speak. Dumb arse. You are the one with comprehension problems. You applied your interpretation to what I wrote and came up with nonsense. You are whinging. And when called out, you insult, and try to turn the argument. Malicious and stupid.

If you'd only made one or two comments about how Dean has persecuted you and others, that would be comment. However, you constantly being it up. That's just petulent (look it up) at best. Whinger. Oh, and please point out where I said you must. Option--"one thing which can be chosen from a set of possibilities, or the freedom to make a choice:"..

Take repsonsibility for your actions, and forget the insults.

Wanker.
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DUCK of DEATH



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The state of Dean Kent's forums mean I am right, you are wrong, again.
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LiamC



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are deluded. You've made a number of unsubstantiated assertions, and tried some mud slinging. Par for your course I'd say. You've proved nothing.

There are healthy discussions going on, with (some) intelligent and thought provoking posts. Spam, sure, bu that is more a problem of the forum implementaion technology.

What the forum has lost is the deep and inciteful MPU hardware posts. So what's on missing on RWT is of interest to you. You have stated that more than once before. Oh, and the useless and petty vitriol. And that brings the discussion full circle.
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Gabriele Svelto



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DUCK of DEATH wrote:
The state of Dean Kent's forums mean I am right, you are wrong, again.

As LiamC pointed out there is less low-level level hardware discussion however the focus on software has been very interesting. There are a lot of insightful and techincally interesting discussions @RWT, just not silicon-oriented ones.
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Del



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only difference at rwt is Paul missing in action. There is a fine balance between heated discussion (which I appreciate since it really can force people to dig deeper), and personal attacks (which I agree should be avoided, not claiming to be innocent). Aces has traditionally been a more harsh environment than rwt, and it has polarised somewhat due to the well-known events. It seems to me that both are in good shape, catering to different needs. If any, Aces is the endangered one without a proper server.
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dkanter



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, it's interesting to see how big a deal that single change in attitude was for RWT.

Blaming it solely on Dean is entirely wrong - it was a joint decision.

We decided that some of the more flame-like posts were deterring lurkers and new posters from joining in the discussion. IOW, our laissez faire attitude about moderation had created an environment that made RWT less likely to grow as a forum (because the only way to grow is to get more members). That simply had to change.

We've gotten a lot of feedback about the overall change in philosophy, and a lot of it has been positive. In fact, I'd say the majority.

And the bottom line is that fostering a more open and civil environment will enable RWT to grow as more new people join the conversation.

DK
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mas



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RWT is a better civil place without Paul and Bill abusing everyone in sight. When you go there now you know it's only going to be about the technology now. They are both very bright guys but they just couldn't resist getting very personal and abusive with anyone who disagreed with them. You only have to see the kind of threads Paul starts here that he is only interested in the economic side of microprocessors now and how that benefits Intel. Paul contributed greatly to RWT's start and his early articles are still classics in intelligent and rational unbiased technical analysis as he hadn't been bitten by the Intel bug then. David has taken the ball though and run with it very well, he has really learnt computer architecture very well since he started posting and his articles are of a similar high standard.
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dkanter



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mas wrote:
RWT is a better civil place without Paul and Bill abusing everyone in sight. When you go there now you know it's only going to be about the technology now. They are both very bright guys but they just couldn't resist getting very personal and abusive with anyone who disagreed with them. You only have to see the kind of threads Paul starts here that he is only interested in the economic side of microprocessors now and how that benefits Intel. Paul contributed greatly to RWT's start and his early articles are still classics in intelligent and rational unbiased technical analysis as he hadn't been bitten by the Intel bug then. David has taken the ball though and run with it very well, he has really learnt computer architecture very well since he started posting and his articles are of a similar high standard.


First of all, I'm flattered - and it is true that I've learned a ton since my first post.

The issue isn't really Bill & Paul flame each other - their posts were actually amazing to read. They (and linus) are prepared and able to deal with getting flamed with eloquence, grace and a huge dose of vitriol.

However, not everyone at RWT is prepared in the same way. It was problematic when first time posters got the same response that Paul or Bill might receive that we really felt forced to change.

DK
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Uffe Merrild



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny, this started out about toms hardware dying.

I see that Paul is still his old self :)
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Paul DeMone



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uffe Merrild wrote:
Funny, this started out about toms hardware dying.

I see that Paul is still his old self :)


WTF? If this is a reference to me you are barking up the wrong tree.
Until this post I have stayed out of this troll/flame thread.

I wish David and Dean all the success they can achieve with RWT. I
lurk there occasionally but the center of gravity of discussion has IMO
definitely shifted away from silicon to software and most of the threads
hold little interest for me. But anyone who is interested in software
arcanity should go there as it appears to be pretty competent bunch
from Linus on down. David's MPU articles are at least as in depth, well
presented, and accurate as I see on anywhere on enthusiast web
sites.
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nori_seghir



Joined: 04 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul DeMone wrote:
Uffe Merrild wrote:
Funny, this started out about toms hardware dying.

I see that Paul is still his old self :)


WTF? If this is a reference to me you are barking up the wrong tree.
Until this post I have stayed out of this troll/flame thread.

I wish David and Dean all the success they can achieve with RWT. I
lurk there occasionally but the center of gravity of discussion has IMO
definitely shifted away from silicon to software and most of the threads
hold little interest for me. But anyone who is interested in software
arcanity should go there as it appears to be pretty competent bunch
from Linus on down. David's MPU articles are at least as in depth, well
presented, and accurate as I see on anywhere on enthusiast web
sites.



It was nonetheless about tomshardware :?
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Uffe Merrild



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul DeMone wrote:
Uffe Merrild wrote:
Funny, this started out about toms hardware dying.

I see that Paul is still his old self :)


WTF? If this is a reference to me you are barking up the wrong tree.
Until this post I have stayed out of this troll/flame thread.

I wish David and Dean all the success they can achieve with RWT. I
lurk there occasionally but the center of gravity of discussion has IMO
definitely shifted away from silicon to software and most of the threads
hold little interest for me. But anyone who is interested in software
arcanity should go there as it appears to be pretty competent bunch
from Linus on down. David's MPU articles are at least as in depth, well
presented, and accurate as I see on anywhere on enthusiast web
sites.


Thank you, for proving my point.

Who else would have started a post with "WTF?" ? :)

So is DUCK_OF_DEATH you logging in from work, and Paul DeMone from home, or vice versa? Maybe there's even another explanation of the phenomenon.
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DUCK of DEATH



Joined: 04 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uffe Merrild wrote:
Paul DeMone wrote:
Uffe Merrild wrote:
Funny, this started out about toms hardware dying.

I see that Paul is still his old self :)


WTF? If this is a reference to me you are barking up the wrong tree.
Until this post I have stayed out of this troll/flame thread.

I wish David and Dean all the success they can achieve with RWT. I
lurk there occasionally but the center of gravity of discussion has IMO
definitely shifted away from silicon to software and most of the threads
hold little interest for me. But anyone who is interested in software
arcanity should go there as it appears to be pretty competent bunch
from Linus on down. David's MPU articles are at least as in depth, well
presented, and accurate as I see on anywhere on enthusiast web
sites.


Thank you, for proving my point.

Who else would have started a post with "WTF?" ? :)

So is DUCK_OF_DEATH you logging in from work, and Paul DeMone from home, or vice versa? Maybe there's even another explanation of the phenomenon.

Uffe,
I know you aren't the sharpest knife in the block, but what you are struggling to come to grips with here is the radical concept of two different posters.

I'm in Australia and Paul DeMone is in the land of Maple Syrup.

I hope the above helps you through this difficult time.
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Uffe Merrild



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh what a surprise, we ended up in the flame wars section.

Good ol' Paul - I knew I could count on you :)
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